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What happens if the U.S. pulls out of NATO?

President Trump said this week that he’s considering pulling out of NATO, calling the security alliance a “paper tiger.” The move would require Senate approval. But it’s the latest crack in a rupture between NATO allies in Europe and Trump over the war in Iran.

Here & Now‘s Scott Tong speaks with Julianne Smith, former ambassador to NATO under the Biden administration.

This article was originally published on WBUR.org.

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